Shen Lian kept quiet for a while, then said, "Do you know if your founding master Chang Shengzi has gone through the cultivation hurdles to reach the state of immortality?"
Liu Mengde said, "I don't understand what you said about the cultivation hurdles, but I practice a different technique from the founding master. I feel odd that you asked about whether the founding master is immortal. With your cultivation, can you not detect the book of life and death?"
Shen Lian was moved, "The book of life and death really exists?"